9.15.2007

Objectivity Disclaimer

Sensationalism runs rampant in the news, and I've been guilty of it myself. I merely wish for the ideas presented here to be a tool in watching for the Lord's return. God bless.
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6 comments:

PWTribune said...

Glad to hear your view is level headed. BUT I'm willing to bet that the 2300 mornings and evenings are ONLY in relation to Antiochus Epiphanes. I think Daniel 8, that speaks of this, does clearly contain some dual fulfillment within it, but this 2300 aspect does not.

AND when we study the history of Antiochus Epiphanes it becomes clear that 2300 DAYS were not what was prophesied because it did not last 2300 days.

The vision says, "2300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored." (Dan. 8:14)

According to Maccabees 1:54 (NOT inspired, but historical) Antiochus set up the abomination of desolation on the 15th day, 9th month and 145th year.

Mac. 4:52-53 says the first sacrifices after the abomination took place on the 25th day, 9th month and the 148th year.

This is exactly 1150 days in between the abomination and the first sacrifice after the temple was restored according to the Greek Solar Calendar!

1150 is half of 2300, so it seems that the 2300 was not days, but mornings and evenings, just as the Bible suggest. This actually makes sense because I think they were counting SACRIFICES and NOT days, due to a morning AND evening sacrifice. Thus 2300 mornings and evenings/sacrifices.

Just a thought.

Dave

December 26, 2007 2:05 PM
PWTribune said...

Oops, I forgot the rest. The above is one reason why I don't think the 2300 is a dual fulfillment. We know that from the time the abomination of desolation is set up there are 1290 days. (Dan 12:11) 1290 is CLOSE to Antiocus' 1150, but not close enough for me.

Dave

December 26, 2007 2:09 PM
David J. Butterfield said...

if that refers to antiochus, what does this refer to then, two verses before it?

Da 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

January 16, 2008 5:16 PM
David J. Butterfield said...

just a thought :P

January 16, 2008 5:17 PM
David J. Butterfield said...

also. the word is not "mornings and evenings", merely "evenings". In Genesis 1:5, for example:

Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

There are two separate words for "evening" and "morning" here, and the one translated "evening" is the one that is translated as "days" in Daniel 8.

Also, the 2300 days do not conflict with the 1290. The 1290 don't entail the cleansing of the sanctuary(which isn't just referring to Jesus instituting His rule, but the actual purification of the temple that will take place during the Millenium).

January 16, 2008 5:54 PM
PWTribune said...

David,

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. We know it's a FACT that nothing within Antiochus' ventures lasted for 2300 days. History proves this. The Apocrypha tells us. And we cannot claim that this passage within Dan 8 does NOT refer to Antiochus. It clearly does. I hope you agree.

So the 2300 must be referring to 1150 days considering that's what actually happened. It was 1150 days until the sanctuary was cleansed after Antiochus desecrated it with swine flesh. And considering it was 1150 days, if there were a dual fulfillment it would HAVE to take place in the same fashion. Therefore the cleansing of the temple would have to take place 1150 days after the Abomination at the midpoint of the Week. That doesn't fit within what we know will take place.

Now certainly there is a dual fulfillment withing this passage. I just can't see that it's possible that this aspect of it fits within the duality.

AND once again the KJV is wrong. It says 2300 DAYS. Was it 2300 days from the time Anitochus removed the sacrifice until the temple was restored? No. It was 1150 days. So the 2300 MUST be something else as my first post suggested.

Other Dave

January 17, 2008 7:53 PM

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